tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post115456412485509330..comments2023-07-06T15:38:02.852+00:00Comments on Missions Misunderstood: A Game of "What If?"E. Goodmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18074535182590173433noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-1155594340386769752006-08-14T22:25:00.000+00:002006-08-14T22:25:00.000+00:00There need to be more "simple" churches here in th...There need to be more "simple" churches here in the US. The organizations that have begun to exist seem to be more and more like businesses than anything else. Of course, check out vtmbottomline (Paul Burleson's blog) for a good discussion of the things of the flesh/world versus the things of the spirit.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441809988487585009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-1155584605798295482006-08-14T19:43:00.000+00:002006-08-14T19:43:00.000+00:00Dear Stepchild: I loved your blog and comments.The...Dear Stepchild: I loved your blog and comments.They´re so realistic.<BR/>Felt really identified with your experiences.I´ve been in India for the past 6 years and I wish my transition would be a lot easier back home. Now I´m here in South America and desperatly need to re-adjust, but what "I´ve been doing is so much what I am". I do struggle.I miss my home in Asia, friends, food, life in Pune.<BR/>Thanks for writting.I know our settings are a lot different but things you go thru are very much the same.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441809988487585009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-1155564688907665182006-08-14T14:11:00.000+00:002006-08-14T14:11:00.000+00:00I too have thought of what life might be like for ...I too have thought of what life might be like for us if/when the Lord would lead us back to the States. I'd like to think I would continue to do what we do overseas planting simple churches, but would have to find some kind of employment to support us in our calling.<BR/><BR/>As Ms we encourage "lay" people who have jobs, families, etc. to go out and plant multiplying churches. Why can't we do the same? It might be good to see some of their challenges from a real life perspective. I have often thought about all we expect our church planters to do. Would we be willing to do the same were we in their position?<BR/><BR/>Interesting post and comments.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441809988487585009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-1155563106483873812006-08-14T13:45:00.000+00:002006-08-14T13:45:00.000+00:00As someone who is just moving into missions and mi...As someone who is just moving into missions and ministry from a "secular" calling, for me part of the call and part of the reason God moved me was because of my weakness. In my culture I was becoming less and less able to function as God called me to. Whereas, once I was in the groove of my calling, my family all found that living as we were meant to live was much easier. <BR/><BR/>With respect to being fluent in this culture, the culture of the U.S., I'm not sure anyone really is. It is all in flux, different from place to place, even as you mention in your post (urban versus suburbia versus rural--and it goes so much deeper than that), that fluency may escape you. One thing that American culture does share in common is fierce individualism, materialism, and self-worship. Those strongholds make it difficult to live the Christian life.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441809988487585009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-1155547383712354102006-08-14T09:23:00.000+00:002006-08-14T09:23:00.000+00:00Anonymous,I'm sorry you're bothered by my comments...Anonymous,<BR/>I'm sorry you're bothered by my comments. Because I'm not called to be a pastor/preacher, working for a church in the States isn't even on my radar. My comment in this post about not wanting to return to a church in the States meant literally that: I wouldn't even want to <I>attend</I> a traditional, congregational American church! Years of being part of a simple church has really ruined me for that.<BR/><BR/>I understand your "everyone is a missionary" mentality, but I disagree. That's a great way to try to motivate lazy Christians to start thinking in terms of ministry, but living and working in one's own culture isn't the same as living in a foreign one. "Missions" overseas is very (radically, drastically, essentially) different from "missions" in the States. Crossing cultures is the difference. Basic survival requires culture and language study that isn't necessary in the U.S.<BR/><BR/>I don't know anyone who would say that if you aren't overseas you're "missing the point." I certainly don't believe that our work here is any more important that what goes on back home. It is <I>different</I>. I would surely return to the U.S. if God led me that way (remember, the original post was me thinking through all that?) but I wouldn't <I>want</I> to go anywhere near the American Christian subculture. <BR/><BR/>I'm not sure where you're serving/living, but the speed of life and relationships can differ greatly from context to context. I'm not sure where you served, but I assure you that relationships in Western Europe are not fast. <BR/><BR/>Again, I'm not saying one is better than the other, or that God can't call someone from one to the other (and back again.) But there is a fundamental (hehe) difference between working in cultural translation and working outside one's own culture/worldview. (In my opinion, of course.)<BR/><BR/>Mybe I'll write a post about this...E. Goodmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18074535182590173433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-1155545749686274872006-08-14T08:55:00.000+00:002006-08-14T08:55:00.000+00:00It bothers me that so many "M's" out there talk li...It bothers me that so many "M's" out there talk like working for a church would be the most horrible fall that could happen. We say that "missions" is not EITHER in the States OR overseas. It is a BOTH/AND issue. Then we get overseas and we turn into some kind of cross cultural snob. We start to think that unless someone is living live in a different culture that they are missing the point. I don't know that I buy into the the thought that once you serve cross culturally you couldn't go back to the states. This is our journey to see the King. His Kingdom is larger than borders. We just have to realize that it is different. Not good or bad. Just different. Culture, in the states, is fast and relationships are slow. On the field I have noticed that culture is slow to change and relationships really move. In the end, it is all about the same job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-1155545634994202922006-08-14T08:53:00.000+00:002006-08-14T08:53:00.000+00:00Bryan,"Professional Missions" is, of course, what ...Bryan,<BR/>"Professional Missions" is, of course, what I'm referring to here. In my post I mention that I would always want to be planting churches, no matter where I am. <BR/><BR/>Missions is about cultural translation of the gospel relationship. So "life after missions" would mean being back in my own culture. You don't have to "translate" when you're already fluent. ;-)E. Goodmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18074535182590173433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-1155530171235675262006-08-14T04:36:00.000+00:002006-08-14T04:36:00.000+00:00Is there ever life after missions or is our life a...Is there ever life after missions or is our life always to be on a mission?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441809988487585009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-1155392148337677222006-08-12T14:15:00.000+00:002006-08-12T14:15:00.000+00:00I think the issue effects all of us in changing ou...I think the issue effects all of us in changing our comfort zone. Have you ever read "Who Moved My Cheese? An Amazing Way to Deal with Change in Your Work and in Your Life"? Very interesting read. <BR/><BR/>Honestly, I think that the biggest issue for those IMB Ms leaving the field is the fact that a job in the corporate field requires more specific hourly and weekly goal setting and achievement. Many Ms come to the field from seminary and have never worked in the corporate field. Honestly, their work ethic is bad. So, what do they end up doing? They work for a church!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-1155391729706001492006-08-12T14:08:00.000+00:002006-08-12T14:08:00.000+00:00Stepchild,Just a word to remind you that you have ...Stepchild,<BR/><BR/>Just a word to remind you that you have been prayed for a lot this week. Keep up the good work whatever and where ever it might be as is your custom. Thanks for your unique life and ministry.<BR/><BR/>PaulAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441809988487585009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-1155190040617695912006-08-10T06:07:00.000+00:002006-08-10T06:07:00.000+00:00Some say that leadership is all about contingency ...Some say that leadership is all about contingency planning. I say what if games are for weenies. The Boss will tell us what to do next it is our job to know what to do now. I tell my friends back home that God is not angry with me enough yet to make me minister in the US again. Stay on His good side and you will be fine 'overseas'. <BR/>Your friend in Central Asia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-1155150371618106872006-08-09T19:06:00.000+00:002006-08-09T19:06:00.000+00:00funny you should mention the "what if" game. we j...funny you should mention the "what if" game. we just played that about 3 weeks ago and came up with about 5 different possibilities. seems like we always tend to play the game when things are stressful or not going like we want...yet we remain here....<BR/><BR/>think this game of ours has something to do with our hesitation to commit to anything long term? seriously, i find that if i just entertain other options then i don't feel as constrained by the one i am in. anyone relate to that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-1155139406839279942006-08-09T16:03:00.000+00:002006-08-09T16:03:00.000+00:00I like your distinction of "Ministry as a professi...I like your distinction of "Ministry as a profession..." It has been this journey out of the profession that has led me to embrace it wholistically, ie. giftedness, personality, passion, etc.<BR/><BR/>No, the stork did not bring by babies. I firmly believe it was Santa Claus. :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441809988487585009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-1155135156317629602006-08-09T14:52:00.000+00:002006-08-09T14:52:00.000+00:00Watchman,By the way, yours is my new favorite blog...Watchman,<BR/>By the way, yours is my new favorite blog. I really appreciate your honesty and your writing skill. I identify with what you have to say. Please keep it up.E. Goodmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18074535182590173433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-1155117875424227062006-08-09T10:04:00.000+00:002006-08-09T10:04:00.000+00:00watchman,Please don't take the introspection of th...watchman,<BR/>Please don't take the introspection of this post to mean that I take for granted the support I receive. I would need to hear very clearly from God about it (probably twice!) before I'd consider it. Ministry is something I'll never let go of, but ministry as a profession is something I hold to very loosely.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comment, and for sharing from your experience. Are you saying that your children <I>weren't</I> brought by the stork?E. Goodmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18074535182590173433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-1155055062439336442006-08-08T16:37:00.000+00:002006-08-08T16:37:00.000+00:00Funny, I asked myself that same question and now,...Funny, I asked myself that same question and now, after 18 years in as a minister, I'm actually doing something different. Being a minister is an odd profession, at least I found it so. People seemed to think the stork brought my babies.<BR/><BR/>If I were you, I'd think long and hard about giving up a full time missionary position. Some guys would kill to go at it full time.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441809988487585009noreply@blogger.com