tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post4106181969081160278..comments2023-07-06T15:38:02.852+00:00Comments on Missions Misunderstood: Churched OutE. Goodmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18074535182590173433noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-36807297861116395672007-09-09T07:53:00.000+00:002007-09-09T07:53:00.000+00:00Carl,I agree that churches need to have leadership...Carl,<BR/>I agree that churches need to have leadership. The question isn't whether they have leadership but whether they will truly engage society or just embrace programs? Will their focus be on campus or off-campus?<BR/><BR/>People aren't weary of leadership they're weary of pre-boxed programs and entertainment.<BR/>The interesting thing is that overseas these things aren't issues. Churches exist without buildings and prgrams. They're groups that worship, study and be the body together. They're sometimes messy and fluid but they're quite refreshing.Camel Riderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10102637696262376442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-4809455380151256902007-09-08T20:50:00.000+00:002007-09-08T20:50:00.000+00:00Hey guys, I tried to leave a comment a week ago bu...Hey guys, I tried to leave a comment a week ago but for some reason it did not post. Nonetheless, though I forget what I wrote I can write again I suppose. Heb 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account...I'm not sure how you would have a church w/o leaders nor how you would have a church operating correctly w/o obedience and submission to leaders. Paul told Titus in 1:5 to appoint elders in every city. Why would elders be needed if home churches were not supposed to have them? Why would elders be needed for the early church but Individualistic America is above and beyond that?Carl Grizovic Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342568372987782606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-60481817437528298002007-09-08T20:44:00.000+00:002007-09-08T20:44:00.000+00:00I tried to leave another comment. PeaceI tried to leave another comment. PeaceCarl Grizovic Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342568372987782606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-45187917619852105182007-09-05T14:57:00.000+00:002007-09-05T14:57:00.000+00:00Carl,I agree with stepchild. The issue is what th...Carl,<BR/>I agree with stepchild. The issue is what the definition of church is. In most of the world the church is a small group, meeting in a home, possibly with no formal leadership. In the states is it a sin to leave FBC and meet weekly with a group in a home? The first church resembled a house church more than the American church.<BR/>There are a host of people longing for an authentic representation of the church. I'm one of those...whether it's big with a building....or meeting in my living room.Camel Riderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10102637696262376442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-60196563945019078952007-09-05T01:07:00.000+00:002007-09-05T01:07:00.000+00:00Carl,Thanks for your comment. I think a lot of thi...Carl,<BR/>Thanks for your comment. I think a lot of this has to do with your definition and understanding of "the local church" that you refer to. <BR/><BR/>I agree that a believer has got to be in fellowship, but a lot of the folks I'm referring to here don't see any alternatives to a consumerist, modernist, business-model "church." They are starving for a more genuine and fulfilling (and biblical) expression of church. <BR/><BR/>I'm trying to draw attention to the people who have to decide between the sin of staying in a broken and worldy system, and, as you point out, the sin of leaving it.E. Goodmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18074535182590173433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-47117913627397272512007-09-04T21:30:00.000+00:002007-09-04T21:30:00.000+00:00I would disagree and say that to not be involved w...I would disagree and say that to not be involved with the local church is sin.Carl Grizovic Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342568372987782606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-41758223185824749242007-08-30T18:02:00.000+00:002007-08-30T18:02:00.000+00:00I relate!I've also become 'blogged out.'I've notic...I relate!<BR/>I've also become 'blogged out.'<BR/>I've noticed how my first desire to blog came as a result of being inspired and passionate about God.<BR/>Perhaps it's God 'outing us' bringing us back to our first love. <BR/>Blessings<BR/>AlyceAlyce Faulknerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02512838526517367006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-70441646863925366262007-08-29T12:30:00.000+00:002007-08-29T12:30:00.000+00:00Yes I have to agree as one trying to plant a "chur...Yes I have to agree as one trying to plant a "church" in W Europe among english speakers. Some of our contacts are ex Church goers so the challenge is for us to build a faith community without loading folk down with programmes. Some are angry with the institution and the holy attitude of some christians. It's time to build relationships with each other and mix it up with folk who don't know Jesus so that they see us IN GOD'S WORLD not just in Church.<BR/>RogerGAYNOR RIDLEYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08142564150684379462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-30461017881096380642007-08-28T11:36:00.000+00:002007-08-28T11:36:00.000+00:00Is it just me, or does it show a huge lack of crea...Is it just me, or does it show a huge lack of creativity/imagination/entrepreneurial spirit that all we can think to do is pile program upon program, activity upon activity? What if we were to actually be Christ in our local situations, among our neighbours and workmates, and were on the watch for others who might want to do the same? What if we actually released one another to live the gospel where we are, even if that didn't involve creating a service, an activity or a program and pressuring others to populate it?081761impactknnukihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17660423149729063027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-32604394780346526862007-08-27T22:09:00.000+00:002007-08-27T22:09:00.000+00:00I too am tired of church... and I am glad to be do...I too am tired of church... and I am glad to be doing something new... <BR/><BR/><BR/>yet another mAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-48110383383493057462007-08-24T18:11:00.000+00:002007-08-24T18:11:00.000+00:00This may be off the wall somewhat, but I've been t...This may be off the wall somewhat, but I've been thinking....if we are changing the music, trying to meet folks at their point of needs with all these programs, and everyone is all so busy in church....why are baptisms down for 2 years in a row?<BR/><BR/>Where are the people that are coming to know God in a personal way?<BR/><BR/>The big churches aren't necessarily doing it better...they just seem to be dragging folks away from smaller congregations. Maybe because in a big church it's a little easier to just sit in the pew. (Sort of like dropping out altogether, but you're still a warm body and can tell your mom...yes, I went to church!)<BR/><BR/>Maybe we aren't looking at the right numbers?? Maybe we shouldn't be counting??<BR/><BR/>Good post.<BR/><BR/>Another mAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-79277098899703990152007-08-24T17:25:00.000+00:002007-08-24T17:25:00.000+00:00Great post. Before coming overseas we were tired o...Great post. Before coming overseas we were tired of the church. Our church does small groups so Sunday morning is nothing more than a few shallow quick greetings while dropping off the kids, then a few songs, a sermon that is usually aimed at new believers and then a few more shallow greetings on the way out. <BR/><BR/>It just seems boring now. Everyone is trying to fix the outside appearances, the music, the style of the message, the dress. We drop denominational names, add Starbucks coffee and think we've fixed the problem. As usual we address surface issues and neglect the deeper issues of defining what the church is. <BR/><BR/>Our small group was church, it was where the body used their gifts and it was there that we saw church as a living active organism.<BR/>Those were the good times....Camel Riderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10102637696262376442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19596668.post-44155103458204872052007-08-24T01:51:00.000+00:002007-08-24T01:51:00.000+00:00Good post! A church program for people who don't w...Good post! A church program for people who don't want church programs... interesting concept. :)<BR/><BR/>-AlanAlan Knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07452247058550736803noreply@blogger.com